Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:46 am

Rob wrote:...You're safe. Really, you don't need to worry.

ok TY so much
I was so worried lol
I posted the some the things on DAoC Genesis of what you said and on Doleserver.
But I didn't give them your name or this website
I hope that was ok to do
If not I can get rid of them if you like
This is the Free Shard server I play on its called Brotherland-Final
Here is the link If anyone like to play on it:
http://www.dolserver.net/daocportal/server.php?s=409
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:58 am

Gocoooo wrote:I was so worried lol

I know, I should have realized sooner how worried you were. I would have just explained why you don't need to worry. :)

Gocoooo wrote:I posted the some the things on DAoC Genesis of what you said and on Doleserver.
But I didn't give them your name or this website
I hope that was ok to do
If not I can get rid of them if you like

That's fine. You could have posted the website and link if you wanted to.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:15 am

Rob wrote:
Gocoooo wrote:I was so worried lol

I know, I should have realized sooner how worried you were. I would have just explained why you don't need to worry. :)

Gocoooo wrote:I posted the some the things on DAoC Genesis of what you said and on Doleserver.
But I didn't give them your name or this website
I hope that was ok to do
If not I can get rid of them if you like

That's fine. You could have posted the website and link if you wanted to.


Oh ok so maybe others could actually read everything on here lol


Ok this is my email I sent to them:
On 2015-04-17 14:38, Xxxxxxxx wrote:
> SENT: Friday, April 17, 2015 at 8:10 AM
> FROM: feedback@postcount.net
> TO: "Gocoo - PostCount.Net" <xxxxx@xxxxxx.com>
> SUBJECT: Re: PostCount.Net Contact Us Form - Sorry
> Hi Gocoo,
>
> Freeshards are an illegally operated version of DAoC and against the
> ToS
> for the game and because we want the developers to post here, we
> enforce
> some of their rules here also. This includes not allowing the sale
> plat,
> and freeshards, and others.
>
> Keeping the boards free of these brings and keeps the devs posting,
> which people prefer than posting about a random server on random
> occasions. The devs read and listen, and that is better than allowing
> a
> post on a freeshard.
>
> As to your ban, you pushed, advocated and promoted freeshards, just
> didn't link them directly. You linked a DAoC video and told people to
> go
> to the link in the comments, a freeshard link. This is promoting and
> advocating. Usually we perma people who are only here to promote or
> spam
> the boards with an agenda, but I gave you a break and only set it for
> a
> month. After that time has passed, you are welcome back, but if you
> continue to promote and advocate for freeshards, or anything else
> that
> breaks the Postcount.net ToS, you will be perma banned.
>
> Please read our ToS here:
>
> http://www.postcount.net/forum/misc.php?do=showrules [1]
>
> Thank you,
> - Management.
>
> OK
> So will any of my post come back? Or are they gone?
> if they are gone can i send the link of the video i had up before?
>
> On 2015-04-16 21:28, Gocoo - PostCount.Net wrote:
> > The following message was sent to you via the PostCount.Net Contact
> Us
> > form by Gocoo ( mailto:xxxxx@xxxxxx.com ).
> >
> > --------------------------------
> >
> > ok I understand about the free shards but I didn't mention it in
> > anything at all in the post I said was read my comment in the video
> I
> > posted. Yes there are free shard links but I never mention free
> > shards. Also I see sometimes swearing in some the post and things
> like
> > that but those people don't get banned. I'm just wondering why you
> > allow other things and not free shard?
> > And what is wrong with talking about free shard as long it has to
> do
> > with DAoC ? Its not like another game I'm mentioning. Sorry I know
> > there your rules but sometimes rules can be overboard.
> > I mean yes if its other games being mention then I would suggest
> maybe
> > banned them for free shards. But can you please tell me what's
> wrong
> > with mentioning free shards on here?
> >
> > --------------------------------
> >
> > Referring Page:
> >
> > User Name: Gocoo
> > User ID: xxxxxx
> > Email: xxxxxx@xxxxxx.com
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.postcount.net/forum/misc.php?do=showrules
And here is the other email I sent
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 11:43 AM
From: feedback@postcount.net
To: "Xxxxx Xxxxxx" <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: PostCount.Net Contact Us Form - Sorry

Hi Gocoo,

No they won't come back as they broke the rules, and no you cannot
repost the video in the manner you were doing.

Thanks







Where do you get the information that Freeshards of DAoC are Illegal?

The coding they have is open sorce so anyone can use.

I'm not sure if you know about this

http://www.dolserver.net/

So show me where DAoC is illlegal for free shards


And they haven't sent anything back
Also why do they have an IP address by the email?
I took it off when I posted it here
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:26 am

Seems to me that the person at Postcount told you in a friendly, polite way that they have a rule against "pushing, advocating, and promoting" freeshards.

They think you were breaking that rule. That's why they banned you for a month.

He (she?) also told you why they have the rule: because they think if they didn't have the rule, Broadsword employees wouldn't post there.

There's no point in arguing with them. It's their website and they make the rules for their website. The rules are whatever they say they are.

If you don't like their rules, don't post there.

Personally, I don't like their rules so I stopped reading their site or posting on it. I can't change their rules but I can decide not to go there.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:32 am

Rob wrote:Seems to me that the person at Postcount told you in a friendly, polite way that they have a rule against "pushing, advocating, and promoting" freeshards.

They think you were breaking that rule. That's why they banned you for a month.

He (she?) also told you why they have the rule: because they think if they didn't have the rule, Broadsword employees wouldn't post there.

There's no point in arguing with them. It's their website and they make the rules for their website. The rules are whatever they say they are.


Oh ok
Also why do they have an IP address by the email?
I took it off when I posted it here
This is the Free Shard server I play on its called Brotherland-Final
Here is the link If anyone like to play on it:
http://www.dolserver.net/daocportal/server.php?s=409
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:36 am

Gocoooo wrote:Also why do they have an IP address by the email?

Was it a real email or did you send it with a form on their website? If it was on their website, their web server knew your IP address and recorded it.

Whenever you look at a web page, the server knows your IP address, because the server needs your IP address to send the web page to you.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:39 am

Rob wrote:
Gocoooo wrote:Also why do they have an IP address by the email?

Was it a real email or did you send it with a form on their website? If it was on their website, their web server knew your IP address and recorded it.

Whenever you look at a web page, the server knows your IP address, because the server needs your IP address to send the web page to you.


Oh ok
Should I remove my name from the email here I sent you what they said?
Or the whole thing from here of the email they sent to me?

Or just leave it the way it is?
This is the Free Shard server I play on its called Brotherland-Final
Here is the link If anyone like to play on it:
http://www.dolserver.net/daocportal/server.php?s=409
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:46 am

Gocoooo wrote:Should I remove my name from the email here I sent you what they said?
Or the whole thing from here of the email they sent to me?

Or just leave it the way it is?

I changed it for you. I X'd out the things that identified you.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:50 am

Rob wrote:
Gocoooo wrote:Should I remove my name from the email here I sent you what they said?
Or the whole thing from here of the email they sent to me?

Or just leave it the way it is?

I changed it for you. I X'd out the things that identified you.



Ok cool.
TY for doing that for me
Also do you think they will email me back with what I said in the email I sent back to them?
This is the Free Shard server I play on its called Brotherland-Final
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http://www.dolserver.net/daocportal/server.php?s=409
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:39 am

Gocoooo wrote:TY for doing that for me

You're welcome.

Gocoooo wrote:Also do you think they will email me back with what I said in the email I sent back to them?

My guess is that he (she?) won't because you were starting to argue with him a little bit, and the guy was probably running out of patience, but he seems like a very nice guy so maybe he'll surprise me.

In any case, you know the answer to your question now, right?

The reason why DAOC freeshards are probably illegal is that a US district court judge said that similar freeshards servers are illegal.

The fact that DOL software is open source has nothing to with whether DOL freeshards are legal.

By the way, only DOL's server software is open source; the required client software (DAOC Portal which modifies game.dll) is not.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:50 pm

Rob wrote:In any case, you know the answer to your question now, right?

The reason why DAOC freeshards are probably illegal is that a US district court judge said that similar freeshards are illegal...


Oh ok
Well I'm glad I have nothing to worry about.
Do you think I should try to get more people on these free shard DAoC's?
Or don't bother with it?
If I do send links out to people come and play on Free Shards DAoC. Do you think EA would get mad at me for doing that?
This is the Free Shard server I play on its called Brotherland-Final
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http://www.dolserver.net/daocportal/server.php?s=409
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:07 pm

Gocoooo wrote: Do you think I should try to get more people on these free shard DAoC's?

That's up to you. If you think it will be fun, sure, why not? I don't know what will be fun for you.

Maybe you should volunteer to be part of Dawn of Light.

Gocoooo wrote:If I do send links out to people come and play on Free Shards DAoC.

Send them how? To who?

Do you think EA would get mad at me for doing that?

I don't think anybody at EA will know or care.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:01 pm

Rob wrote:Send them how? To who?

Like on YouTube? Or showing people the link

I think I did it right under the one that's saying about the links?
I'm not sure how to do each section like you do lol
Sorry if its not right
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:09 pm

Gocoooo wrote:I think I did it right under the one that's saying about the links?
I'm not sure how to do each section like you do lol
Sorry if its not right

It's okay, I fixed it.

Oh, are you asking if EA will get mad at you for something you posted in this forum?

No. EA as a company doesn't care, and I don't think anybody who works there knows that this forum exists.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:21 pm

Rob wrote:Oh, are you asking if EA will get mad at you for something you posted in this forum?

No. EA as a company doesn't care, and I don't think anybody who works there knows that this forum exists.

Oh ok
So if people from DAoC Genesis wants to read this entire conversation we had about if DAoC Free Shards are Illegal or not. How can they read it without making an account if they don't want to make an account here?
Because I just figured I spammed post after post on DAoC Genesis lol about this and I shouldn't of
They did merge it there. Not sure if you saw what I posted. But the other website I posted it on Dol. Someone took everything off of it what I posted from here and they said if I post things like here again then I will get banned
I mean about the DAoC Free Shards being Illegal. Maybe I should of gave both websites this link so they could of read it lol instead of me copying and pasting on websites lol
This is the Free Shard server I play on its called Brotherland-Final
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:18 am

Gocoooo wrote:So if people from DAoC Genesis wants to read this entire conversation we had about if DAoC Free Shards are Illegal or not. How can they read it without making an account if they don't want to make an account here?

They don't need an account to read. Anybody can read. They only need an account to post.

Gocoooo wrote:Maybe I should of gave both websites this link so they could of read it lol instead of me copying and pasting on websites lol

Yep, you could have done that. :)
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:57 am

TY so much for everything you said about this.
Also I was wondering if you still play DAoC ever?
This is the Free Shard server I play on its called Brotherland-Final
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Rob » Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:29 am

Gocoooo wrote:Also I was wondering if you still play DAoC ever?

No, I stopped playing a while ago.

When did you start playing DAOC?
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Gocoooo » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:06 pm

Rob wrote:
Gocoooo wrote:Also I was wondering if you still play DAoC ever?

No, I stopped playing a while ago.

When did you start playing DAOC?




I played DAoC back in 2001 but not release date
And I have the boxes still of classic and the Expansions except Darkness Rising
and
Labyrinth of the Minotaur. But I did buy them off of
Mythic Entertainment's website at the time
I stopped playing DAoC when EA signed with Mythic Entertainment
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby jamesw71 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:16 pm

It is not criminalized but greedy executives have been able to sue and win against people who run Freeshards. It all comes down to their licensing claims. They claim ownership and that the freeshards infringe on their rights. Yet no court or legislature apparently seems to care anything about the players rights. We apparently have none.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Warriorperson » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:33 pm

It's the company's intellectual property, not the public's. They have the legal rights to profit from their work, and to prevent others from doing so. Same reason you can't use Mickey Mouse in your advertising without permission from Disney. Intellectual property rights are pretty fundamental to organized society.

You as the player have rights, but they don't get to infringe upon the rights of others, including the game developers rights to profit from their work.
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Re: Are the DAoC Freeshards Illegal?

Postby Krusty » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:45 pm

jamesw71 wrote: greedy executives

So if somebody steals something from you, you won't go to the police and complain, because that would be "greedy." Right?

jamesw71 wrote:It all comes down to their licensing claims.

No, it all comes down to copyright. The reason they are in a position to grant or withhold a license is because they own the copyright.

jamesw71 wrote:They claim ownership

When you make something, you own it. That's not a claim. That's a fact in every country on earth. It's called copyright.
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